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Arthur Blake B Coy Korea   Lt Col Bill Murray Brown DSO   Dills Corner Camp 19534   Hong Kong 1952-3 by 22499304 George Wilkin   Albert Locke 1932-45   Arthur Loombe 1940-42   Capt Keith Oakey   MV Georgic Recovery after 1941 bombing   Sir David Thorne   Stanley Marjoram on Corfu 1946  Thanks from Gini Otway in New York   The Pompadours 3 R Anglian   Dave Wood seeks Robert Hardaker   Maj James G Logan RA who sailed on the MV Georgic from Korea in Apr 1955   Royal Norfolk Stable Belt   Parachuting observations from Lt Col Mike Vokes TD**** and Maj Stan Bullock MBE R&Y   Site compliments   More site compliments   Thanks to the Gunners   Forward Recce Group

The above index entries are in random order !

CONTACT
Make contact with correspondents via the Norfolk Section Editor or RHQ, Britannia House, TA Centre, 325 Aylsham Rd, Norwich, NR3 2AB. Tel 01603 400290.

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ROYAL NORFOLK STABLE BELT - 2 QUERIES WITHIN ONE WEEK
Mick Chisnall wrote: One of my military interests is collecting stable belts. Through this hobby I have discovered over the years a real lack of information - books, magazines or internet - about the history of, and belts relating to, the regiments and corps of the British Army.
As a result of this dearth of information, I have put together a website, which will hopefully become a reference point, for those seeking details and information on unknown stable belts: www.stablebelts.co.uk
I have contacted the Regimental Museum in Norwich and they have replied.  However, they were not able to assist me with any information at all on the Royal Norfolk Stable Belt. I discovered your website, while searching the internet, and wondered if you might be able to provide any details, such as :
Did they have a stable belt?
If they did, what were the colours?
What were the dimensions of the coloured stripes?
Is there an image /photograph available?

Jerry Carter wrote: I am writing to ask for your help in identifying a stable belt. I am a collector of British Army stable belts and have one which I think may be that of the Royal Norfolk Regt. I would be very grateful if you would check the enclosed photo and confirm whether or not it is. (See right.))

Webmaster comment: The correspondents were informed I didn't know ! However, Mick's site www.stablebelts.co.uk identifies it as 1 East Anglian.

Below is the current Royal Anglian Stable Belt.
Can anyone help concerning the R Norfolk Stable Belt queries above ? Make contact with correspondents via the Norfolk Section Editor.

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© Maj John L Raybould TD

HONG KONG 1952-3
22499304 George Wilkin wrote :
A National Serviceman Jun 1951- Jun 1953, I was called up to the Northamptonshire Depot for basic training and transferred to the R Norfolks for further training at Bury St Edmunds. We arrived in Hong Kong in Feb 1952 for training with the Middlesex Regt (where I was selected to play football for the 1st XI) and embarked for Japan on 23 Mar. After stopping at Pusan we continued to Kure and JRBD (Joint Reinforcement Base Depot near Kure, Japan. Joint because it handled all Commonwealth reinforcements. Not far away was Hara Mura Battle Camp. Thanks to our Korea Guru Maj John Denny. Ed). I was seconded to HQ No 1 Field Record Office and was duty clerk on the day that Pte Henry Muller was reported KIA. This was a poignant moment for me as Henry had volunteered to take my place on duty over Christmas 1951 to enable me to have home leave prior to departure for the Far East. The records state that Pte Michael Flynn was also KIA. Maj Apthorpe was OC HQ Coy and I was in the Orderly Room under Capt Ward. I seem also to recall that 'Winky
' Fitt was CSM HQ Coy at this time.
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DILLS CORNER CAMP 1953-4
22867543 Eric Pearce, of Ipswich, seeks anyone stationed at Dills Corner Camp, Hong Kong, 1953-4. He has made contact with Ptes Medlar, Kent and Dedman and sent a photograph {to follow} of him with the latter 2 at a recent reunion.

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Postscript Aug 06 - Peter Webb (known as 'Ossie Osbourne') responded : 'I was there at that time. How do I contact him?'
Peter was sent a contact address and tel no.
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STANLEY MARJORAM ON CORFU 1946
Further to the piece in B&C 95 Dec 00 by the late Frederick Munns (d 4 Aug 04) about the 4th Bn Intelligence Section in Patras, Greece, 1946, 14034972 Stanley Marjoram writes. 'I was with MT Section HQ Company, driver to Maj Nigel F Read, the 2IC. He, a signaller and I went by an American Liberty ship to Corfu to set up a leave centre in the Kings Palace Mon Repos (where The Duke of Edinburgh was born) for the officers and at the Old Fort for the other ranks.
When disbanded I went to Egypt with the 2nd Bn Royal Fusiliers, serving at Alexandria, Amiriya, El-Ballah and Fayid until release on 10 Apr 04 1948.’
He added: ‘I was in the Norfolk Army Cadet Force for about 2 years before getting my call-up papers on 7 Jun 1945. Training started at Blenheim Camp, Bury St Edmunds, and continued at Nelson Barracks, Norwich. We then moved on to Morley Hall, Wymondham, from where I went to Kettering on a Driver Mech course
.’
Stanley would like to hear from anyone with whom he served.
Stanley concluded: 'We must try and keep the 4th Battalion alive.' (We do! See the 4th Bn OCA and Officers' Dinner notice of future events. Ed)
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MAJ JAMES G LOGAN WHO SAILED ON THE MV GEORGIC FROM KOREA IN APR 1955
Lorna Logan
reported the death of her father-in-law, Maj James G Logan RA, on 13 Aug 05, aged 87. He served from 1939 to 1955 with 32nd Regiment Royal Artillery and returned on the MV Georgic to Britain from Korea in April 1955.

Were you on that voyage?

Lorna added: 'Jim never spoke of his past at all until recent years when he occasionally spoke of the Italian campaign or mentioned how he survived the Siege of Malta on boiled sweets.'
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SITE COMPLIMENTS
From Lorna Logan, seeking details of her late father-in-law James Logan (see above ): ‘I have tried looking at other sites but they don't seem to have anything like the quality of your site.’ (Thanks Lorna. Ed.)

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THANKS TO THE GUNNERS
Further to the above about James Logan, the Norfolk Editor appealed to a Gunner, Maj Colin Allder TD (who took over his white stick, guide dog and mantle as ‘Oldest Brit Army Officer in Bosnia’ as S02 TA/Res in Dec 98). Colin advised contact be made with the editor of ‘The Gunner’, Maj Mike Shaw (another former Watchkeeper with that venerable body CVHQ RA - Central Volunteer HQ Royal Artillery).
Colin said: ‘He was Blue Arty Comd when I played Red Arty Comd at Fort Halstead when we tried to 2nd guess Saddam's moves with the Scuds. I worked for Red Controller - Lt Col Xyz [not correct spelling] - Zog to us all. Ex CG and just back from East Europe as mil attache, he was a very interesting man. Remember the SALT talks and the counting of tanks in each other's area? Zog told a few yarns on the scams they used to find the tanks.’
Mike responded: ‘Blue Leader here! The only thing I remember from our Fort Halstead war gaming is the extremely grotty videos that Colin played late each evening.
I will put the notice in the October issue of The Gunner.’

As a result, Lorna heard from Gen Sir Richard Trant, James’s 2IC in Korea, who was with him on the Georgic.
(Many thanks Mike and also to your Deputy Editor Kate Knowles. Ed.)
Click here for another Gunner success.
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THANK YOU - FROM GINI OTWAY IN NEW YORK
'I saw your web site and read it with fascination as my family is an old Norfolk one. I then viewed your tribute to the World Trade Towers attack.
The best I can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart. With kind regards, Gini Otway.'

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ALBERT LOCKE 1 AND 2 R NORFOLK 1932-1945
Steve Locke
wrote:
'Is there a website on the Norfolk regiments as my father used to be in the 1st and 2nd Bns and I'd like to try and find out some information on him.'
The Norfolk Editor advised Steve to try the links on this site at:
Seeking comrades and family and Links.

Born 14 Feb 1916 in Islington Albert died 18 Aug 1992, aged 76, in Norwich. He joined 1 R Norfolk at Sialkot near Delhi, India, as a Bandboy in May 1932 and returned to the UK in 1938. Captured Jun 1939 at Le Paradis he was a POW at Danzig Stalag 8, repatriated in 1943. Served Britannia Barracks 1943-45 then Berlin 1945.
Does anyone know any more about Albert?

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LT COL BILL MURRAY BROWN DSO
Rob Murray Brown
wrote:
'I was hoping you could help me obtain some information on my late father Bill Murray Brown and his activities in Burma. He only spoke of it once to me before he died in 1982 and as my mother has just died I have no other resource to get the information. Can I get a history of the Norfolks in Burma?
Your help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to be able to tell my children what their grandpa did in the war.'

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Afternote Jun 06 : Click here for the result of this appeal.

ARTHUR LOOMBE 1940-42
Tom Cleary wrote with news of Arthur Loombe, Royal Norfolk Regt 1940 to 1942. For his 89th birthday on 15 Jun 05, Tom wanted an item of Regimental memorabilia for Arthur so he was sent a list of our Regimental Items.
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MV GEORGIC - RECOVERY 1941-1942
B&C 104 Jun 05 carried 2 pieces, sent by Ian Hill in Oz 'MV Georgic - Bombed in Suez Jul 1941' and 'More on the Georgic - 1941' by Ron Stokoe, about the bombing of the Georgic in 1941.
The Oct 1944 ‘Engineer’ and the Jun 1945 ‘Meccano Magazine’ both published extensive accounts of the 1941-2 salvage of the Georgic.
The Norfolk Editor would like to acknowledge the most considerable efforts by Ian to obtain site reproduction permission of the Meccano magazine article from Meccano France and thanks Najat Coppeaux of Meccano France for granting permission..
Click here for the account published in the Jun 1945 Meccano magazine
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THE POMPADOURS - 3 R ANGLIAN
Robert Hewitt, a 1960s Pompadour, informs us of a site dedicated to The Pompadours, set up in 2001 with the help of the late George Boss, curator of the Regimental Museum at Duxford.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trebor/The_Pompadours.html

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DAVE WOOD
Dave Wood from Cincinnati, Ohio, USA, sought a Brit chum with whom he worked in New York a decade ago; Robert Hardaker, now roughly 34 years of age. Dave remembered that his father served in the British military.
Several times a year, using the wonders of the internet, the Norfolk Editor reconnects old friends and long-lost family members but sadly, in this case, it was not to be.
He added: 'A general "thank you" to all the brave British servicemen fighting alongside ours in Iraq and elsewhere. This American appreciates your sacrifices.'
Received on the Jul 2005 day it was announced that London would host the 2012 Olympics, he concluded: ‘Congratulations on the 2012 Olympics.’
The next day another e-mail arrived: ‘In light of events that transpired in London yesterday, my utmost sympathy to your citizenry and my renewed and redoubled appreciation for all the British. Thank you for assisting me in my trivial search for a long lost chum. God bless you...and the Queen.’
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MAJOR GENERAL SIR DAVID THORNE KBE CVO
From John Ezard of the Guardian: ‘I write having seen your website tributes to David Thorne. As a journalist on the Guardian I knew him professionally in the Falklands, through his Commonwealth activism and rather more closely during his noble last months. I have the honour and pleasure of being asked to write his entry in the Dictionary of National Biography. In your admirable Britannia and Castle obituary in 2000, you were kind enough to mention my Guardian obituary as a source for small parts of it.‘
John required verification of the dates and places mentioned in the Jun 2000 B&C 94 obituary. Lady Thorne was delighted to hear of the forthcoming entry in the DNB, especially as ‘John Ezard wrote the best newspaper obituary’. We look forward to reading the entry.

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PARACHUTING OBSERVATIONS from Lt Col Mike Vokes TD**** and Maj Stan Bullock MBE R&Y
Lt Col Mike Vokes TD****, Sen Dep Comdt Hants & IoW ACF: ‘I always had my doubts about you - now I see the evidence to know for sure!
Maj Stan Bullock MBE R&Y: ‘I did wonder about you but now I’m certain ! Which hospital ward are you in ?’
These arose as in Aug 05 the Norfolk editor was at Rollestone Camp, Salisbury Plain, with Suffolk ACF, where Commandant Col Paul Denny, organised a voluntary parachute jump at the Joint Services Parachute Training Centre, Netheravon.
Janine gave her blessing but didn't want to know any more until a telephone call was received on landing! Sadly, over-50s are not permitted to do a solo jump, only a piggyback tandem jump with a Tandem Master - in my case Gav Tuckley, a Red Devil with over 1000 jumps to his name. After a 20 second freefall from 13 500' to 5000' at c 128 mph there was a canopy ride to the landing area of about 5 minutes. I've flown low a few times over Salisbury Plain from a few hundred feet in Gazelle and Chinook helicopters but the late evening view of The Plain in absolute silence was fantastic. It took 20 mins to reach the exit height but a quarter of the time to descend.
And see: www.suffolkarmycadetforce.fsnet.co.uk/sacf_annual_camps/rollestone_05/rollestone_05_parachuting.htm
for photographs of Cols Paul Denny and Paul Long OBE, also on the jump. Do you like their pink hats in Set 3 ?
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COMPLIMENTS ON THE B&C SITE
From David Smart, ex-5 Coy, 10 Para HSF, (bearsted@blueyonder.co.uk) ‘An excellent website.’
He advises a look at :
www.parachuteregiment-hsf.org
(Thanks David. Ed.)
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FORWARD RECCE GROUP
An e-mail enquiry came from Maj Don Gregory in Dawlish, who had read the obituary for Maj Mike Gunton in B&C 97 Dec 01, for the address of Freddy Herring, with whom he has served. Don mentioned serving in Central Africa so the lamp was swung and connections passed. While I was OC Luanshya School CCF in the late 1960s he was SO2 Cadets in Lusaka and knew my Headmaster/Area Commander, Maj Fred Thompson - alive and well at age 82. Don issues a free print copy of the ‘Federal Army and Central African Forces Association’ with regular e-mail updates to those connected and details of an annual Oct reunion lunch. If you are interested, contact Don via the Norfolk Section Editor.
The above paragraph title in Don’s newsletter section lists those who have passed on, with the apt sentiments: ‘May their duties be light and their hopes high’.
It includes a quote from Edward Fitzgerald’s translation of ‘The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam’:

‘Let some we loved, the loveliest and the best,
That time and fate of all their vintage prest
Have drunk their cup a round or two before,
And one by one crept silently to rest.’

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CONTACT
Make contact with correspondents via the Norfolk Section Editor or RHQ, Britannia House, TA Centre, 325 Aylsham Rd, Norwich, NR3 2AB. Tel 01603 400290.

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The authority is the Editor, British Army Review No 114 Dec 96, `If the facts don`t fit the legend, print the legend’.

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